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		<title>Comment on Google Chrome by Andy</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=505&#038;cpage=1#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I am going off the original topic here, but I thinks this is important.

Granted that most people probably don&#039;t actually read the EULA, for those of us who do ( and I am one of those sad people in the main), how many of us [em]actually[/em] understand what we are being told...??  I am confident that I don&#039;t - yes, I will look for the obvious points at the top of the page, but usually you are in a hurry to install the package.

  Let&#039;s assume that you have forked out a considerable amount of cash for a product, in the process of installing it, you realise that the EULA is totally unaceptable for you and you cannot go further, what do you do?  You can&#039;t take the product back because, unlike any other product, there is no guarantee covering software if it is not fit for purpose, and once you have opened the package you have forfited your rights to a refund...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I am going off the original topic here, but I thinks this is important.</p>
<p>Granted that most people probably don&#8217;t actually read the EULA, for those of us who do ( and I am one of those sad people in the main), how many of us [em]actually[/em] understand what we are being told&#8230;??  I am confident that I don&#8217;t &#8211; yes, I will look for the obvious points at the top of the page, but usually you are in a hurry to install the package.</p>
<p>  Let&#8217;s assume that you have forked out a considerable amount of cash for a product, in the process of installing it, you realise that the EULA is totally unaceptable for you and you cannot go further, what do you do?  You can&#8217;t take the product back because, unlike any other product, there is no guarantee covering software if it is not fit for purpose, and once you have opened the package you have forfited your rights to a refund&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pirate&#8217;s Dilemma by Micky</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=519&#038;cpage=1#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Micky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got Mat Mason&#039;s point that those who pirate products are often the products biggest fan and just want to share it, and that the pirates could possible improve it.

But as someone who often spends a year developing a product the idea of piracy is appalling.

The point about the book published in Russia having generated better legal sales because from the pirate version seemed valid.

Perhaps a bit of piracy could be seen as cost neutral advertising, but surly the pirate copies of the Russian book increasing the sales of legal copies is the exception not the general rule.

As to the other article cracking down on those who up load software illegally surley it is a sledge to crack a walnut approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got Mat Mason&#8217;s point that those who pirate products are often the products biggest fan and just want to share it, and that the pirates could possible improve it.</p>
<p>But as someone who often spends a year developing a product the idea of piracy is appalling.</p>
<p>The point about the book published in Russia having generated better legal sales because from the pirate version seemed valid.</p>
<p>Perhaps a bit of piracy could be seen as cost neutral advertising, but surly the pirate copies of the Russian book increasing the sales of legal copies is the exception not the general rule.</p>
<p>As to the other article cracking down on those who up load software illegally surley it is a sledge to crack a walnut approach.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Free software usability by The English Teacher</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=212&#038;cpage=1#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>The English Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KUDOS!!!!

After reading numerous comments on this subject, I MUST agree with DragonMaster that most OSS is &quot;good software&quot; !!!! But as a Business User who believes the published UBUNTU philosophy, I could not resist creating a blog for my comments  and those of Many friends who use UBUNTU - about the state of OSS from the Business User point of view... Not as in the view of &quot;Aunt Tilly&quot;...

&quot;Why Free Software has poor usability, and how to improve it&quot; by Matthew Paul Thomas and &quot;The Usability of Open Source Software&quot; by David M. Nichols and Michael B. Twidale are seen by us as the sun breaking thought the clouds... Please gentlemen, maintain this type of direct, clear and open discussion not - as in Other forums - religious confrontations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KUDOS!!!!</p>
<p>After reading numerous comments on this subject, I MUST agree with DragonMaster that most OSS is &#8220;good software&#8221; !!!! But as a Business User who believes the published UBUNTU philosophy, I could not resist creating a blog for my comments  and those of Many friends who use UBUNTU &#8211; about the state of OSS from the Business User point of view&#8230; Not as in the view of &#8220;Aunt Tilly&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Why Free Software has poor usability, and how to improve it&#8221; by Matthew Paul Thomas and &#8220;The Usability of Open Source Software&#8221; by David M. Nichols and Michael B. Twidale are seen by us as the sun breaking thought the clouds&#8230; Please gentlemen, maintain this type of direct, clear and open discussion not &#8211; as in Other forums &#8211; religious confrontations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Chrome by iconpartnership</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=505&#038;cpage=1#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>iconpartnership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like it was a mistake rather than a conspiracy.
“Google may have screwed up in attaching such an overzealous EULA to Chrome but to the company&#039;s credit, it acted quickly to rectify the situation. At just before 3:00 p.m. on Wednesday, Ars Technica ran a story with the following quotes from Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome:

    Google&#039;s Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, now tells Ars Technica that the company tries to reuse these licenses as much as possible, &quot;in order to keep things simple for our users.&quot; Ward admits that sometimes &quot;this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don&#039;t apply well to the use of that product&quot; and says that Google is &quot;working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome.&quot;

As it turns out, the Google Chrome EULA controversy is just another case of a high-profile company lazily copying and pasting together a EULA with little regard for the terms therein. And as humorous as the entire 24-hour fiasco might be, Google&#039;s misstep reminds us yet again why it&#039;s important for end-users to read the EULAs that come attached to software and services and why it&#039;s doubly important for companies to run a fine-tooth comb over the language in their EULAs before releasing them into the wild. In all honesty, though, end-users shouldn&#039;t have to dig through every EULA for fear that something like this might be buried inside. If a EULA requires that a user relinquish significant rights in order to use a piece of software or a service, that fact should be made abundantly clear to the user, through some means other than a condition buried deep inside a click-through EULA.”
Via Mehan Jayasuriaya @ Public Knowledge
http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1726</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like it was a mistake rather than a conspiracy.<br />
“Google may have screwed up in attaching such an overzealous EULA to Chrome but to the company&#8217;s credit, it acted quickly to rectify the situation. At just before 3:00 p.m. on Wednesday, Ars Technica ran a story with the following quotes from Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome:</p>
<p>    Google&#8217;s Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, now tells Ars Technica that the company tries to reuse these licenses as much as possible, &#8220;in order to keep things simple for our users.&#8221; Ward admits that sometimes &#8220;this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don&#8217;t apply well to the use of that product&#8221; and says that Google is &#8220;working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome.&#8221;</p>
<p>As it turns out, the Google Chrome EULA controversy is just another case of a high-profile company lazily copying and pasting together a EULA with little regard for the terms therein. And as humorous as the entire 24-hour fiasco might be, Google&#8217;s misstep reminds us yet again why it&#8217;s important for end-users to read the EULAs that come attached to software and services and why it&#8217;s doubly important for companies to run a fine-tooth comb over the language in their EULAs before releasing them into the wild. In all honesty, though, end-users shouldn&#8217;t have to dig through every EULA for fear that something like this might be buried inside. If a EULA requires that a user relinquish significant rights in order to use a piece of software or a service, that fact should be made abundantly clear to the user, through some means other than a condition buried deep inside a click-through EULA.”<br />
Via Mehan Jayasuriaya @ Public Knowledge<br />
<a href="http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1726" rel="nofollow">http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1726</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Chrome by iconpartnership</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=505&#038;cpage=1#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>iconpartnership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment from Dragonmaster.
Unfortunately, this product is not available for Linux users, so I am
unable to comment on it in that respect.  However, what is interesting is
the slashdot row that is in progress concerning the EULA (refer to
[url]http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/03/0247205&amp;from=rss[/url].

 What is interesting here is that the Chrome is being released under the
BSD open source agreement which effectively makes any EULA prety well
null and void - the man controvesy is over this statement:
[blockquote]&quot;By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give
Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and
non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish,
publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you
submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for
the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the
services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the
additional terms of those services.&quot;[\blockquote]
If I am reading this correctly, it would imply that any code I upload
using their browser would immediately become their property!  I think this
needs a bit more research before I make a final judgement call...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment from Dragonmaster.<br />
Unfortunately, this product is not available for Linux users, so I am<br />
unable to comment on it in that respect.  However, what is interesting is<br />
the slashdot row that is in progress concerning the EULA (refer to<br />
[url]http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/03/0247205&amp;from=rss[/url].</p>
<p> What is interesting here is that the Chrome is being released under the<br />
BSD open source agreement which effectively makes any EULA prety well<br />
null and void &#8211; the man controvesy is over this statement:<br />
[blockquote]&#8220;By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give<br />
Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and<br />
non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish,<br />
publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you<br />
submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for<br />
the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the<br />
services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the<br />
additional terms of those services.&#8221;[\blockquote]<br />
If I am reading this correctly, it would imply that any code I upload<br />
using their browser would immediately become their property!  I think this<br />
needs a bit more research before I make a final judgement call&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dore &#8216;miracle cure&#8217; by Dore on R4, transcripts available at take21.org/blog</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=42&#038;cpage=1#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Dore on R4, transcripts available at take21.org/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on CDs down, downloads up by DragonMaster</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=313&#038;cpage=1#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>DragonMaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but the question people will ask is, &quot;is the decline in CD sales due to illicit copying / downloading or due to the decline in the economy in the UK &amp; USA&quot;.  On a personal viewpoint, I don&#039;t really believe that the number of downloads has increased significantly this year over any other year, indeed, it could be argued that as a result of the latest flood of warnings being sent from ISPs people could be hesitating about downloading for a while.

  Also, is this figure &lt;em&gt;just&lt;/em&gt; concentrating on CD sales, or are the Legal downloads from iTunes etc also being taken into account, as these are direct revenue rather than Performance Rights - thinking of the &lt;blockquote&gt;Declining CD sales mean songwriters will earn more from performance rights - playback in shops and pubs, than recorded music sales.&lt;/blockquote&gt; comment in particular, as the media trend is shifting to an extent...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but the question people will ask is, &#8220;is the decline in CD sales due to illicit copying / downloading or due to the decline in the economy in the UK &amp; USA&#8221;.  On a personal viewpoint, I don&#8217;t really believe that the number of downloads has increased significantly this year over any other year, indeed, it could be argued that as a result of the latest flood of warnings being sent from ISPs people could be hesitating about downloading for a while.</p>
<p>  Also, is this figure <em>just</em> concentrating on CD sales, or are the Legal downloads from iTunes etc also being taken into account, as these are direct revenue rather than Performance Rights &#8211; thinking of the<br />
<blockquote>Declining CD sales mean songwriters will earn more from performance rights &#8211; playback in shops and pubs, than recorded music sales.</p></blockquote>
<p> comment in particular, as the media trend is shifting to an extent&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dore &#8216;miracle cure&#8217; by Dore on R4, transcripts available &#171; Multimedia module blog</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=248&#038;cpage=1#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Dore on R4, transcripts available &#171; Multimedia module blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Endgame in sight by Simson to Pandora &#8216;put ads in the stream&#8217; &#171; Multimedia module blog</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=310&#038;cpage=1#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Simson to Pandora &#8216;put ads in the stream&#8217; &#171; Multimedia module blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] many webcasters out of business. Pandora would pay 70% of revenue. Previous coverage on this blog here. For others, royalty costs would exceed their [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on App Store sales: $30m in first month by iconpartnership</title>
		<link>http://take21.org/blog/?p=275&#038;cpage=1#comment-54</link>
		<dc:creator>iconpartnership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A note about moderated comments. Some of the comments we get are from companies promoting software. If it is relevant to the subject area I leave them. When irrelevant, I delete them.
Unfortunately, these posts still show up in the RSS feed for comments.
At present it is just an irritation. If it becomes more of a problem we may need a more restrictive policy on posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note about moderated comments. Some of the comments we get are from companies promoting software. If it is relevant to the subject area I leave them. When irrelevant, I delete them.<br />
Unfortunately, these posts still show up in the RSS feed for comments.<br />
At present it is just an irritation. If it becomes more of a problem we may need a more restrictive policy on posting.</p>
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